I don't think you answered the question "Why were some nuns cruel". Someone who NANCY WILLOUGHBY was taken into care by the Poor Sisters of Nazareth after her mother died when she was three. You cannot become a nun if you have been previously married. Archaic teaching methods are now seen as barbaric. Before pushing me in the nuns told me there was a mouse in there and I went totally hysterical. Not once did the nuns ask why I was off school or what was wrong with me. Its not easy to grow up in an abusive or neglectful home, which can lead to trauma and emotional damage. June 2019 This is part three of my series debunking the "Irish slaves" meme. I was terrified the whole time and never had a happy day there. I remember being made to sit in a cold bath. A few days later, William was told his brother had died although he is now convinced this was untrue. March 2018 Tragically, Philomena and her six siblings came from a loving home in England but were taken into 'care' while on a holiday in Waterford, in 1970. No matter what any "spiritual leader" might say. I have seen programs about nuns and most of those show a wonderfull helpful loving nun who just loves the whole world. The group has heard from 35 people in the last several days who claim they were physically and sexually abused by nuns, said Dispenza, a former nun who claims she was abused as a young girl. The details of the patterns were kept so secret, in fact, that many of them were lost as the families either died or fled the poverty for other lands. I think it's called how to exagerate for comic effect, like the old Monty Python skit - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13JK5kChbRw, You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Your post was so full of hate & sarcasm Im surprised you havent been banned what you wrote was absolutely inexcusable. "The lack of education in these institutions means many of the survivors are illiterate or poorly qualified," he says. In the 1930s and 1940s, a conservative revolution ushered in an era in Quebec now known as " The Great Darkness .". Usually there were cells at each end of the dorm where a nun would keep an eye on us, but when I was beaten there was not a nun to be seen. My mother was one of them. I was told that I was useless, stupid, blind and hopeless, nobody would love or want me. Something was telling me that something bad was going to happen.. The Magdalene Laundries in Ireland, also known as Magdalene asylums, were institutions usually run by Roman Catholic orders, which operated from the 18th to the late 20th centuries. Eventually, the crochet schools established by the nuns in the 1850s and 1860s disappeared as fashions changed and the demand for Irish lace declined. She was told to go away, that we were wards of court, even though that wasnt true. 5 Top The Silver Thong Member 33.4k Sister Josephine had no explanation for why the commandment was given Thou shall not kill but people were killing each other in Gods name. Coming from a guy who feel he has the right to condemn, criticise and berate the practice's of nearly two billion people, have you been given Carte Blanche on this board? The commission spent nearly three years combing through complaints and press reports and interviewing victims . Then they took the other two from her as well. We went to the airport and we weren't allowed to see the coffin or go near it, so I had my suspicions all along. Indeed, the twisting of limbs was a characteristically Christian torture method, as the shedding of blood was apparently discouraged by the Church. Vicious evil people.. This is true of Jewish women who were in charge of the different units in Concentration also true of the German women who worked in these camps. This can lead to a cycle of cruelty thats hard to break. The female . Within them, however, nobody could escape the interlaced structure of these complex power relations. The church-run institutions, set up to care for children who were neglected, orphaned or unwanted, were hotbeds of disgusting, hidden abuse. (11 Reasons Why). This can lead to nuns being quite resentful toward Mothers. "You couldn't talk to the nuns in a jokey or friendly way. Searching for. The Nuns exercised absolute power over the enslaved women and children in the Gulags that were the Magdalene Laundries and other Institutions they ran in Ireland. The Nuns had complete power over the women and children and overwhelming dominance over everything in their Institutions.. Physical violence was allowed and was encouraged by the frustrated Nuns in all the Institutions in order to get the upper hand - literally and brutally - by striking blows with hands, feet, sticks, chains, metal objects or whatever else came to hand. Their accounts of life in the various homes have a common theme: of thrashings even for the most minor misdemeanour or failing, be it sneezing, wetting the bed, or forgetting the words of a hymn. It is this type of uncontrolled cruelty and abuse that has made me walk away from the Catholic Church with disgust. They are not interested in children which was obvious at Tuam .Orphanage, in Ireland plus others.. Thus, nuns act out their cruelty towards others. Born into Catholicism and devout as a child, I witnessed cruelty and abuse by Sisters of IHM. Read Book A Light In The Window An Irish Christmas Love Story Kindle . Every morning he had to wash and dress his little brother Thomas, who had brittle bone disease and was unable to walk. They had no rights, were (still are to some degree) exposed to all sorts of abuse of the Catholic hierarchy, who always were their superior and who always has to be present to some degree because women can't do things by themselves in Catholicsm by design. Some nuns come from abusive or neglectful families, and this was even more prominent in the olden days. A few Nuns kicked women and children down the stairs and then took the opportunity to kick them as they lay injured or struggling to stand or crawl away. It gives a good idea of the standard of care. The victim lies prostrate on the ground, at the Nuns feet. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Less Than Human: Why We Demean, Enslave, and Exterminate Others By David Livingstone Smith Hardcover, 336 pages St. Martin's Press List price: $24.99 Read An Excerpt When the Nazis described Jews. By When expanded it provides a list of search options that will switch the search inputs to match the current selection. A police officer later told him he believed it was faked. Instead of fetching a doctor they kept me in bed and surrounded me with hot water bottles. I was 8 years of age. June 2018 July 2019 Nuns indeed put in a lot of hard work. Why? Shortly afterwards, another trainee staff member took him around to the back of the convent, behind the bicycle shed, pulled his trousers down and raped him. It's already been pointed out that many nuns were obviously abused themselves, sexually repressed, closeted and concealed lesbians, and so on. Flagrant and cruel. One of these burst and burnt my foot badly, leaving a permanent scar. The recipients often turn . November 2020 Children were also left hungry and cold, with poor hygiene facilities. Thanks to all for your replys, I think the hammer has found the nail on this perhaps. (9 Reasons Why). It is a greater act of contempt than striking the face because it emphasises the asymmetry between the torturer and her victim. The whole concept is flawed from the get-go. Violence was frequently employed and encouraged with the most common forms being verbal abuse, slaps, blows, and kicks. "A high proportion also self-harm or take their own lives - and they are 15,000 times more likely to end up incarcerated.". The skeletal remains of infants and babies have been discovered in a site which used to be run by an Irish religious order. Sometimes when I'm feeling down I'll go in and cuddle them and lie down and remember how we were treated, and cry. February 2019 Many of the initial applications were turned down and, in response, William set up the Residential Institution Survivor Network (RISN), which has now helped over 200 people with appeals. She was tied to a chair and beaten for weeks until she started to learn english. You have to ask why are some women cruel because the reality is some women are cruel. Nuns. Thankfully, those methods have changed, and nuns are now taught with more compassion. It was work, work, work. But today, many of those who were in the sisters' care have come forward to claim that, behind the locked doors of Nazareth House (all the homes had this name), the nuns maintained a ruthless regime. I am just wondering why. Unexplained-Mysteries.com The nuns at Ypres likely had friends and family in the Irish Brigade of the French armya group of Irish soldiers who followed James II to France after his defeat at the Battle of the Boyne. Its not easy being a nun. We were beaten with big sticks - the bigger the better, she says. No goodbyes. January 2019 Two years ago, he began searching for the death certificate and found there were no records of Thomass death at the funeral home, the airline or the French registry. Nuns used crucifixes to rape little girls or forced boys to have sex with them, too. May 2020 February 2018 The nuns were terrible.". Nuns with children at Sean Ross abbey. as elsewhere, they became . First off I'd change that to SOME nuns, not all. We could see each others suffering and pain, while they took turns to abuse both of us a few times over the weekend.. This mission is still in use today and as far as I know they have not slacked off of the punishments. For William, now 54, the trauma of the abuse haunts him in every waking moment. December 2019 We rose at 5am, did the cleaning chores, then got dressed, got breakfast and then went to school. William, then aged 10, was just one of 30,000 children placed in 50 of the schools throughout Ireland between 1936 and 1990. Professor Grundy reserved his most scathing words for the police forces and bureaucrats, who he said may have known what was going on but did nothing to stop it. "Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst." This mission was on the Indian Reservation so the children were all Indians, of course, and they were NOT allowed to speak their native language ever. She remembers a nun who would come to her class every day to choose a student to help her with Mass. "Most of the nuns were Irish and though they were trained to be nuns they were not trained to look after kids, and that is where a lot of the problems were. Sadly, those abusive women were sadists who should have been imprisoned themselves and also hospitalized. The Residential Institutions Redress Board, set up in 2002, received 16,500 applications for financial compensation - 15,500 of which were successful - and paid out an average of 62,000 (55,000) in sums ranging from 10,000 to 300,000. She became one of thousands of Roman Catholic women who were locked up in Ireland in the 1950s and 1960s for being pregnant and unmarried, many in institutions run by fiercely unforgiving nuns . May 2022 My grandmother, aunts, uncles, great aunts and uncles cousins ect ect, were mostly raised in the Cotholic Missions on different Indian Reservations. reflect on their experiences and this week's TRC report. ), it wouldn't be hard to, Couple a sadistic personality and a whole lot of pent up sexual frustration.yeah anybody would go psycho. This can lead to them being quite cruel to others, especially those weaker than them. I was in bed by 7pm and they used to check you were asleep with your hands across your chest. A "religieuse" as she is called throughout the series, she also trained as an advocate of Irish law called the Brehon law system. "One of the worst things that ever happened to me was being locked in a cupboard as a punishment. Imagine trying to be perfect all the time. It seems logical that a person suffering from not being a part of normal life, ie:love, sex, child birth ect ect.. would harbor lots of ill will twords those who cannot help themselves. My child never went to church or catholic upbringing. But there is good news in all of this. He found refuge in the British army, where . And 40 nuns belonging to the Poor Sisters of Nazareth and the Daughters of Charity of St Vincent de Paul are named in a civil action by more than 500 people, mostly middle-aged or elderly, who. Its crucial for nuns to be aware of this and to try to break the cycle. We did all the work in the convent, cleaning the windows, scrubbing floors, doing the laundry and washing out the bathrooms. Babylon the Great has fallen, and she has become a dwelling place for demons and a place where every unclean spirit and every unclean and hated bird lurks! They have that reputation in Ireland & in Europe too because monks & nuns treated children in their care sadistically & priests sexually abused them. September 2018 The extravagant Convents offered the Nuns a degree of gentile comfort, a warm room of their own, the best of food and drink, and wanting for nothing. Its not easy to always be modest. What gives? August 2020 July 2021 Now 35 and living on Teesside, the husband and father-of-two has undergone years of therapy to overcome psychological damage he says was inflicted on him there. Mari Steed For many years now, stories about the conditions at the now-shuttered Bon Secours Mother and Baby Home in Tuam, Ireland, have circulated among locals. Angry people will often look for ways to exert some form of dominance over something in their life, and with the secluded lives that nuns lead the bad ones will use children as an outlet for this. In Ireland, the Sisters of Mercy operated, from the time of their foundation in 1831, as a series of autonomous convents, each of them subject to the authority and jurisdiction of their local bishop.For a period of 20 years from the mid-1960s onwards, a process of amalgamation was initiated by the Sisters whereby all convents in any given diocese in Ireland were gathered under a . The nuns would enter a convent in their teens and would be told nothing about sex or re Continue Reading 18 2 Peter Kisner Only my opinion of course, but I'd blame it on a lack of physical and emotional shenanigans with members of the opposite sex. dead bodies should be so very much more shocking than . This was not the case in mid-19th Century . The allegations stretch back as far as 50 years and are as recent as the 1970s. Wicked City is an erotic thriller set in 1982 Los Angeles where two police detectives, Jack Roth & Paco Contreras, team up with Karen McClaren, Diver Hawkes & Dianne Kubek to find the serial killer Hollywood Slayer and his partner Betty Beaumontaine. They took great delight in saying my mother died at school assembly. But the nun wasn't looking for someone to help her. The Nuns believed they had the right to use violence on them arbitrarily, including, if necessary, killing them. 1. Plenty of Students..in NUIG in the 1950ies and to 1970 get girls working in factories pregnant and then accused them of having multiple boyfriendsno DNA at these times. At Christmas there was jam. The investigators established the chambers were originally used to treat sewage. When America Despised the Irish: The 19th Century's Refugee Crisis Forced from their homeland because of famine and political upheaval, the Irish endured vehement discrimination before making. Oberon Copeland is a graduate of Southern Illinois University Carbondale, with a degree in economics and HR. March 2019 My mom told me that they had no life, could not leave the convent, no TV, no newspapers, so I think it was simple burn out, no way to get away from us brats. Never has been and never will be. "When the Sister died, we were told to pray for her in Heaven, but we all prayed that we were glad. I was asked to go but I refused, says William. Its not something thats public knowledge, but many nuns grow to regret taking this vow. Its no wonder nuns can be so cruel. In truth most of the young Nuns were not yet expert in administering human suffering; they were to become that later. I love them so much, there are so helpful, I always get sad when they get transferred to another church. Yet another was scarred after being scalded by a nun who accused her of not using enough hot water when washing. The Nuns total exercise of power included the daily use of extreme mental as well as physical violence as they believed that the women and the children were to be broken on the Catherine wheel, so to speak, and destroyed mentally, if possible, by the whims and acrimonious tempers of the sexually frustrated Nuns. These Irish nuns emmigrated to Australia and brought the Catholic Churches forced adoption practices with them. But trying to be perfect always is enough to make anyone go a little crazy. I endured all their frustrations directly with violence, beatings, rapes, and mental trauma. I managed to buy my own house and pay the mortgage off. No matter what any "spiritual leader" might say. Why are Nuns so mean? . They were always calling us guttersnipes or scavengers and seemed to enjoy humiliating us. "The dormitory would sleep 12. I think the average age for priests and nuns in the US today is like 70. The Pope is now aware of the priests raping the nuns and getting rid of the babies. ), it wouldn't be hard to see why some Nuns are high-strung. In her absence, Philomena says, the parish priests took the children into the industrial schools, with the girls entering the Good Shepherd in Waterford. Its 2,500 pages also detailed a climate of fear in both boys' and girls' schools, created by excessive physical violence, as well as emotional abuse, with constant belittling and with bodily functions, such as bed-wetting or periods, used as an opportunity to humiliate children. That was when her main tormentor at the Nazareth House in Middlesbrough, Sister Laurence, died. June 2021 I relatiated at nuns school in UK. Part of being human is being a sexual person humans are attracted to other people, have romantic feelings and sexual urges. The Nuns had been punishing this boy for not doing his chores and on that fateful night he was murdered by the Nuns. But the report of the Commission of Investigation into Mother and Baby Homes in Ireland published last week after five years of work was worse . May 2019 As the result of a rape and beating by a Nun, I spent two years in a coma in hospital hiding from my mangled mind and body. For the enslaved women and children, the Magdalene Laundries were places of constant suffering and death through hunger, brutal violence, epidemics and systematic mass-murder. Vera lived at the home with her two sisters from the age of six months until she was 17 years old. By using physical violence, the Nuns exercised power not only over the slave women and children, but also over their fellow Nuns.Physical domination was indeed the proof of what they were capable of and, for some Nuns, it expressed a real thirst for power. Was Thomas given away or sold? I hear stories about the nuns from non family members too and not many people have "Found memories" of their days with the nuns. October 2020 Eleven nuns were among the 12 people who were arrested and charged on Thursday for years of alleged physical and sexual abuse against children at a Catholic orphanage in Scotland. Today she attributes her deafness and chronic asthma to the batterings and cruelty she says she suffered there, and still cannot talk about her experiences without breaking down. My time there has deeply affected my life. Its a shame, as nuns should represent peace, kindness, and gentleness. She hated children and was always hitting us with a cricket stump she carried around. The one thing that I have found from talking to them and from past stories they have told me before they died was the Nuns of the Caotholic Missions were always mean and abusive to the children. Try to be understanding and compassionate. For William, and thousands of others, the nightmare goes on. I wonder what makes them so mean? Sister Fidelma, an Irish nun at St. Brigid's Abbey is possibly the most interestingand smartestnun ever to be found on the pages of a clerical mystery. She would choose . Some thuggish Nuns who worked in the Magdalene Laundries and other Institutions were notorious for hitting the enslaved women and children for no reason, even beating some to death. Remember some of these women and religious men and priests too went unto these institutions at 13, 14, 15 years of age. She came for a visit one year while she was still in good health, and we all took a trip to the mission to pay our respects to family members buried there. 4 Min Read. Gods people, "get out of her.". The act of forgiveness is powerful. The family book I am writting has so many of these stories in it I almost hate to put them in there. Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! Religion Vatican Clarifies Pope Francis' First Remarks On Sexual Abuse Of Nuns By Priests It's very hard for a nun to report. Any child caught speaking native was punished. It can also lead to nuns acting out in ways that are considered cruel. That is why I want to take them to court.". The "significant quantities" of remains were found in 17 out of 20 underground chambers that were examined. They would just use anything that came to hand. I have cried so much wondering what happened to my loving brother. Gmail See Part One, Two, Four, Five, Six and Seven. It is now 37 years and it has been eating me up the whole time. So nuns did their best to keep you from committing a mortal sin and their way of doing that was to enforce a sort of discipline by various means of which some were mean like hitting your knuckels with a ruler. Allegations of abuse by its nuns first surfaced in Scotland last year. "I call on the Irish State and government to remove the gagging orders and give us survivors the right to speak out for the sake of our mental health.". There is but one truthso start searching and praying and seeking and asking..What is the Truth? The investigation is still active & more depravity is being uncovered. And of course the whole story fits wonderfully into the larger stories of Irish nuns as heartless and cruel, which many undoubtedly were. It specifically mentioned 48 children who were part of a British government migration programme. "You could get hammered for anything. When my grandma first went there she only spoke her native language, she spoke no english at all. I thought bugger that, I'm saying my piece.". Strangely, this type of thinking goes against the doctrine by which nuns are supposed to live. It was a dreadful experience and I will never forget it. One that stands out is the story of a boy who had become very ill. Only my opinion of course, but I'd blame it on a lack of physical and emotional shenanigans with members of the opposite sex. Reports show that they suffered malnutrition and neglect, which caused the deaths of many, while others died of measles, convulsions, TB, gastroenteritis and pneumonia. If they see other nuns being cruel, they may think its okay to act the same way. Myth: In 17th century Barbados (and elsewhere . "Bedwetting was about the worst thing you could do. Wicked City was initially canceled after just 3 episodes, but later, the remaining episodes were aired on Hulu. "Most of the nuns were Irish and though they were trained to be nuns they were not trained to look after kids, and that is where a lot of the problems were. It was a very spartan regime. This service is provided on News Group Newspapers' Limited's Standard Terms and Conditions in accordance with our Privacy & Cookie Policy. July 2020 So now comes the question. The innocent novice Nuns, with their good intentions, had no idea of what awaited them in the hellholes known as the Magdalene Laundries with their captive and illegally-held female slaves and their children who, although they had committed no crime, toiled there. Want to bookmark your favourite articles and stories to read or reference later? FOR Vera Willshire, who is now 75, the year 1939 was one of the happiest of her life. When Mum came back from England she couldn't get us back, she says. Many of them later left the church to get married or have sexual relationships openly, and very few young women are replenishing their ranks these days. Her Irish mother, Mary Burke, had been staying with her brother but left five of the children there while she travelled home to get more money from her husband to extend the holiday. Nursing Nuns of the Civil War. Wicked City . Above all, they tell of a complete lack of love in institutions where bewildered children could not comprehend why they were being treated in such a way or why their families had left them in the hands of the nuns. But the hearings were criticised as being harsh on the victims and William is angry that the survivors were asked to sign a non-disclosure agreement in return for the money they were offered. If you were scrubbing the floor and looked up you could get a whack over the head or even be kneed in the face. Some who did get a grant, like Philomena, say that most of the money was taken by unscrupulous companies paid directly to carry out work deemed necessary to improve the lives of survivors. As you say the nuns were mostly from rural areas. During the Age of Exploration, two basic factors influenced the Europeans in their efforts. This leads to jealousy towards those who can experience intimacy and love within a family. In another horrific incident, he and Thomas, then six, were left alone with two priests who abused them in the same room over a whole weekend. "But girls were beaten every day. Rocketgirl33, Nuns Break COVID Rules to Attend Exorcism. Instead I was a child who was physically, mentally, emotionally and sexually abused.. People considered the. Anything can trigger flashbacks because there are so many bad memories, he says. Lets not forget that nuns take a vow of celibacy. It was bad enough in Newcastle, but after the war broke out we were moved to Carlisle where it was much more cruel. My heart was deeply touched by reading this article which reports the most horrifying cruelty to women and children. They would see women who had sex outside marriage as being deviant. October 2019 I went to a strict local school and the belt was used frequently, but nothing like on the same scale that the nuns used to beat us. They did so because they wanted to jealously safeguard the gold standard for all children, a stable home run by their mothers and fathers. Anyone who suffers from it can rest easy in at least knowing they're not alone, and when KQED looked at why so many horror movies feature nuns, they found that part of it was the secrecy of convents that put the fear of God into people.. It's been that way for a long, long time way back in . Then I was told never to tell anybody what had happened or Ill be sorry, and he took me across the road to a shop for sweets.. Getty Images. 3-For because of the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality, all the nations have fallen victim, and the kings of the earth committed sexual immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth became rich owing to the power of her shameless luxury." They may feel they are missing out on something essential and wonder what could have been. No doubt there were a few gentler Nuns, but they remained passively silent as they watched the violent Nuns run amok, behaving in a frenzied, out-of-control and unrestrained manner. Thank you again for your insight. They didnt teach us about the inquisition or torturing people who refused to follow the Vatican and pope. This can lead to nuns being quite resentful toward Mothers. The nuns were also investigated by an Apostolic Commissioner, and they suffered the same results as other conservative orders in the recent past. I certainly didnt need any time to reflect on my own experience of cruel Irish Nuns.. After all, I was nine years with the Sisters of Charity of St Vincent de Paul in Dublin in both a Mother and Baby Home, St. Patricks on the Navan Road where I was born and spent the first four years of my life, and for five more years at St Philomena's Home, Stillorgan. View our online Press Pack. I was terrified 24 hours a day. 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