However, MacDonald texted me an invitation to appear with him in a public forum to answer for the many many lies Ive reportedly written about him. And I sat and prayed. She wanted me to look at it. This is the most used and abused (pun intended) argument. When Christian leaders continue to teach that abuse does not constitute biblical grounds for divorce they are wrong, Vernick wrote. And I was still on the board. In the area (a south metro suburb of Minneapolis, MN ), that's just the average cost of a house. The owners of Marquardt are friends of mine, Dan and Kurt Marquardt. And I said, Listen, I get it. She said a survey of 20,000 women for her book, The Great Sex Rescue, found that when men make the final decision in the marriage, even if they consult with their wife first, chances of divorce increases 7.4 times . I had asked one of the one of the people on the reconciliation team earlier that day, I said, Im going to go into a meeting with James McDonald and I need I need to have the letters I need to know. Tragically . . I stepped away from my computer a couple of times. That was really wrongdoing at Harvest, would be to repent. It does. How do spot a safe pastorand can. Again, youre seeing it from a total other perspective where Im the bad guy, James is a good guy. And I want to help people lead the church well. I at least heard of it from somebody by that point. Not all the elders had physical copies of the letters at that point. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. On Thursday, the seventh, I got a text from one of the elders who said, Call me if you can before such and such a time. I was literally sitting in a hotel lobby waiting for a pickup at one oclock in the morning to catch an overnight flight back from India. But according. But James McDonald, he did not like to fly with the commoners, from what I understand. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. So so sorry for anyone who has had to face the James MacDonald storm. Following allegations of years-long bullying and financial misconduct, the lead pastor and executive team of an Association of Related Churches (ARC) megachurch, Everyone was laughing and goading, like it was a jokeuntil it wasnt. The whole crooked machine needs to be brought down. Jared Prayed for you just now. Shame on you for reading scripture! And while youre at it, Id really appreciate it if youd help us spread the word about the podcast by leaving a review. SMH. And today youre going to hear from a former insider at Harvest, former elder Dan George. I hope you have a great day and God bless. I wish I didnt. To donate, click here. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. So Rick was in the meeting, as were others, and they were defending saying the elders should not have the letters. It was the elders failure. And we got to a Saturday meeting then on the ninth. And if he doesnt, what does that mean in terms of employment at Harvest Bible Chapel? Well, and I remember, I remember this whole thing, because Im getting bits and pieces from different sources about whats going on and whats happening. So if youre listening, you need and you havent read those letters, you need to go back and Dean Butters, I mean that one has to be just the emotional impact of the the bullying and the abuse, and then even a video where he mocked a very well known Christian leader because she was getting married in midlife for the first time and mocking her for never having sex before. And my job was to get it to fellow elder board. Can you share what was in it? And I got the text. But to also say, this was this was my fault, too. Christians should stop feeding these people. Theres still one more thing I want to ask about. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. #JRgossipslut James MacDonald (@jamesmacdonald) June 15, 2021 There was just an absolute refusal to rebuke him publicly. And her being in my house and literally shaking as shes recounting. When I entered my UCC church-sponsored college, I figured out why. The Roys Report has over 78 articles dedicated to MacDonald and/or HBC, many of which were written by Roys. Theres 30 men in the room. Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? He is not a pastor. We got to pray. But it was dark. I dont know whether its the way way down or the way back Id have to reread the letter, but I mean, they stopped and went to the DR,. He says, Well, for when I kept silent my bones wasted through my groaning all day long for day and night, your hand was heavy upon me. We knew what we knew what we were going to do. And I knew that I needed to do something publicly. So they have no idea what they really these, the elder board was large and had no idea really who James MacDonald was, am I right? So walk us through the drama of that weekend, James McDonald trying to save his job. I believe it was from Mancow who texted me. I have them up at my website if you want to see those. He had joined, I think a year into, into Harvests history. And its to warn people, right? Thats what meeting and when youre in a conference called and youre making a decision like that, every elder everybody on the meeting on the call had to make right had the voice be asked any question you have. But he said even the way said that he said, we got out of that meeting, we looked at each other. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. And it was just a deep sadness, deep sadness. Understandable. No, Im just reporting. The elder board of Harvest Bible Chapel formally apologized to independent journalist Julie Roys and several former members, months after joining founder James MacDonald in a defamation lawsuit accusing them of publishing false information about the church's management and finances last fall. But according to a recent email by MacDonald, he's a victim of defamation by an "envious child"and needs your money "to rebuild." "Tragically . Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. And marital and sexual satisfaction plummet.. Voice of James MacDonald Believed to Be Featured in Vulgar Comments. I thought the weight was dealing with everything else in there was a weight, but that was the weight. And there was a voicemail from one of the pastors at Harvest, in a really sort of pushing for me to sign that put my name to that. But I think my kat has watched too much Kenneth Copeland. And they started reading scripture about the qualifications of the elders. Okay. And that would have been right before you came back on the board. At the end of that weekend, before James MacDonald got fired in February 2019. Hes a large imposing man. So Im deeply grateful for their faithful support. I also knew that I needed to talk enough so that it wasnt like, well, this whats whats going on with him? From the overflow of your heart your mouth (and thumbs) are speaking. Charles, Unfortunately, immature children in grown mens bodies seems to be a thing now. I was at work. The elder board is still in the dark. Do you expect ANYONE to say yes to your question. I followed up with this text but Julie did not respond immediately to my request for a comment. And I checked my voicemail. Its funny how things turn out, and this situation isnt wrapped up, yet. Yet he notes that only a small number of former listeners responded positively. Others, who stumbled by the public deception sent many hateful words.. And I did it. And this was a spiritual battle. She declined. Ill tell you one thing, Julie. Instead of focusing on who is stronger and who is weaker, why dont we focus on how both of us can be strong for the kingdom and live out the calling that God has given to each of us individually and as a couple?, Visconti also posted recently on his Instagram story that abuse is not a biblical justification for divorce. And I just asked the Holy Spirit to show me You have to show me You have to show me whats going on. Christian counselor and author, Leslie Vernick, took exception to Viscontis post. Makes me sad and understand why his life went out of control. I was thrown out of the church we gave our lives to by a group of rogue leaders, MacDonald writes. My strength is dried up, as by the heat of summer. If youd like to find me online, just go to Julieroys.com. Judson is located on a beautiful 90 acre campus just 36 miles northwest of Chicago. So grateful to be healthy and happy in the Lord to where I can finally wade into the filth from JuLIE Roys. Theres a number of narratives out there right now about how these letters came to the elder board. Right? Im Julie Roys. We knew I needed to do it. Chicago-area Republic Bank has stopped foreclosure proceedings against disgraced celebrity preacher, James MacDonald, and reinstated MacDonald's mortgage on his $1.5 million Elgin estate. He scared me in bible college I wanted nothing to do with him. But that is my hope. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. And this wasnt a one time thing. It was a heated discussion about letters and who should have the letters who should read the letters, etc., that night. And marital and sexual satisfaction plummet., We are meant to set aside power and authority and serve one another (Matthew 20:25-28) as we are partnered together (Ecclesiastes 4:9-12), Gregoire added. But the one letter that isnt published came from Sandy Song. So, Dan, thank you for that. Then the board announced its executive committee would be resigning over the next few months. What does the bible say about that? And I said, I understand that. I was there at HBC & witnessed it. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. To myself, I said, and do our job. Just finished my post on clarifiers that will precede the deception lists. Like, I cant believe this. I dont see that as absolving James McDonald. It looks like these contemporary churches are just fundamentalists in different garb. And I remember being in the meeting thinking, I cant believe were arguing about this. Understanding & Overcoming Spiritual Abuse, Part II, Understanding & Overcoming Spiritual Abuse, Escaping & Healing from Abusive Churches, Part 2. There would be no Roys Report without Judson University. It just seems that the church of the USA is a joke. It is grounds for separation but not divorce., This view is popular in fundamentalist Christian circles. And I remember reading through that scripture and reading through Hebrews 13:17, about elders overseeing and giving an account, and Galatians 1:10 about am I trying to please man, am I trying to please God? Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! Christian Rocker Posts Stunning Response to Recent Apostasy of Christian Leaders, Chicago Radio Host & a Former Bodyguard Say James MacDonald Asked Them to Arrange Murders, James MacDonald Took Millions from Harvest & Now Demands Broadcast Ministry, Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald: My Response. And learn how MacDonald almost escaped being exposedand how six scathing letters that revealed MacDonalds true nature almost failed to reach the elder board. I dont know how the person who gave them to me got them. MacDonald adds, Of the more than 4000 Change Partners once faithfully supporting our efforts monthly, there are now about 150the remnant from which we seek to rebuild. He then invites people to send him gifts. If youre truly interested in hearing other views ask why or tell me how you landed there. Dan was one of the elders who fired James McDonald. Receive E-Devotionals and Ministry Updates. ChurchLeaders has reported extensively on MacDonald and Harvest, which began experiencing unrest back in 2013. | (Photo: Harvest Bible Chapel video screen grab) Harvest Bible Chapel has dropped a lawsuit against author and journalist Julie Roys and the writers of the Elephant's Debt blog amid public scrutiny for an alleged culture of fear, intimidation, and financial mismanagement. Whats wrong with Visconti supporting Kari Lake or speaking out against abortion or transgenderism? I remember praying before the Harvest Elgin campus as a garage, and its a former corporate space. There was a whole discussion about whether he was repentant and I said, I dont know, hes not repentant. He teaches that wives should endure abuse like a missionary endures persecution. . Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. I didnt, I didnt argue with him. I remember saying to the larger board, Guys, it is the grace of God that we have these letters. So he was fired. And I turned to Scripture, and I went to Psalm 32, where you know, the companion to Psalm 51, where Davids writing. In our required Old and New Testament classes, we utilized the Oxford Annotated Bible. And you know, shepherds, I think of John 10, right, the the hireling runs away, the Good Shepherd stays. And the pain is overwhelming. If you find yourself unaware of So he did that. MacDonald is a successful American religious entrepreneur. There was just enough false doctrine so that it was swallowed up with the truth. Gosh she is just filthy with gossip as fact and at very best half the story. However as I grew in age and hopefully in wisdom, I consulted other versions of the Bible. Thanks! Hed been the senior pastor the whole time. And so when they started arguing the process, I was just like, Oh, my gosh, thats what were just gonna talk about the process. Mine havent offered any blessings, but at least they havent eaten my extremities while I sleep. And I know it was a battle. Dan resigned from the Harvest elder board in March 2019, calling for reform. Only Gods opinion is what counts. And I remember, Julie, I was in that meeting that Tuesday night. And they are even beloved by God. I remember as a young pastor first hearing about James at a 2002 Moody Pastors Conference and reading his well written book on hermeneutics with an apologetic leaning and being blessed from his book. Then let me just ask you from the start, why are you doing this? Marquardt is a Buick GMC dealership where you can expect honesty, integrity and transparency. That was you, wasnt it? I did not. Great! I wasnt looking forward to that. I would listen to MacArthur, Piper and Macdonald on a regular basis. Tell Harvest Church board hows the fruit now? And I got it. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. And I know its cost you personally. So thats, thats February 5, 2019. I also dont believe girls (or boys) have to like certain colors or behave and dress in certain ways to be real girls/boys. When I did, I told her letters were coming in, would she consider writing it. And it was it was a battle in the natural, exposing James McDonald, the letters, the articles, everything. But, at whatever time it was, you know, midnight in India or something sitting in the lobby, I sent an email, put my name on it, heres my statement. Thats what the weight was. Plus, the school offers more than 60 majors, great leadership opportunities and strong financial aid. Dan and his wife, Kim, subsequently left Harvest, but remain committed to the integrity of the Church and caring for those who have been hurt in the Church. But he starts arguing process. And thats got to be a heavy. You really didnt know at that point, whether he was going to get fired, or resign, or what was going to happen until Mancow Muller aired those vulgar excerpts from this hot mic recording that James McDonald didnt know he was on mic. Well, again, joining me today is Dan George, a former elder at Harvest, and one of only two former elders whos apologized to me personally, for some of the nasty things that were said about me when I was reporting on the church and James McDonald. It was so much easier to read and understand. For more information just go to Judsonu.edu/visit. Think of the godly ones youve known and thank God for them. And then you know, you would categorize these things. I totally get the emotion that you must have felt because I felt it, too. On January 7, 2019, Harvest elders announced they decided to drop the lawsuit against Julie Roys and four other individuals. Dan currently is an executive and leadership coach and the founder of Front Seat Leadership. Thats a Tuesday night. And again, Im going from memory, but also from what Ron Duitsman recently said. And so really appreciate that and appreciate the time at which you did that. And so I felt relief. Julie Roys October 8, 2020. The Roys Report reached out to MacDonald with questions about the email, which he would not answer on the record. Hi. But again, reading those letters, and it does have a different impact when you read the actual letter than someone summarizes it. The 8 Best Julie Roys Podcasts. . And he conspired with these staff to bring these letters because they all just were out to get James. Also, make sure you subscribe to The Roys Report on Apple podcasts or Google podcasts. So Rick was, in effect, the Assistant senior pastor. And then if you could, please share the podcast on social media so more people can hear about this great content. Visconti also had posts supporting far-right causes. And I know I totally get what youre talking about. The text included the hashtags #gossipslut #gossipmonger #filthygutterwebsite #cancerinChristsbody., MacDonald also tweeted the invitation, referring to me as Julie Jezebel Roys.. And he was the elder who insisted that scathing letters written by former and current staff at Harvest actually reached the members of the board. And this still disheartens me, because the people of Harvest, who we were supposed to be overseeing at that point, we were silent on that weekend, because we couldnt come to an agreement about what we would do. Am I right? On Thursday, Im in a meeting with him where honestly, Julie, they were trying to convince me and the other elders in the room that hadnt been in previous meetings to let him resign. We turned out to have six witnesses who wrote 28 pages with innumerable charges. Hes talking about James McDonald, but not calling him out by name. MacDonald notes in the email that about a month after the settlement, he was able to write to recipients of the email. I remember saying we got to pray. So those letters, and I just, I had to thank you, Dan, because those letters may have never reached the full elder board had you not push the issue. Later that night, or first thing you know, into the wee hours of the next morning, the communication was out to the people of Harvest, and it was over. In an email to The Roys Report (TRR), Vernick noted that in the Old Testament, Abigail, the wife of the boorish and immature, Nabal, was a strong woman, married to a weak characterand she wasnt toxic. They should go to the reconciliation team. Julie can and has spoken for herself, but I must speak up against loaded questions like this. But like you do what that says and the people responded as you hope Christians do. I had all the letters at that point. In a recent Instagram story, Visconti, pastor of Generation Church in Mesa, claimed abuse is not a biblical justification for divorce. And in an Instagram post on November 21 that received 5,621 likes Visconti wrote: A weak woman with a strong husband will become a strong woman. Had they reached all the elders at this point? And there were meetings on Wednesday, where James McDonald was informed of the decision of the elder board. I think of the timing, I think it was earlier that day, that I actually I sent I had sent Sandys letter out, because Sandy sent, she addressed her letter to the elder board. Were supposed to approve this budget, and we dont even have a line item. The audio recording that the elders reference was aired on popular Chicago radio personality Mancow Muller's show.Muller, once a trusted friend and confidant of MacDonald and also a member of Harvest Bible Chapel, has used his platform recently to call the pastor out on his less-than-exemplary handling of his critics. Like wow! And and that would be my word to James McDonald. "I was sitting in the back seat. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. And we talk about that Scripture and quote it over and over again. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. Imagine such a thing. What really caused Harvest Bible Chapel to fire James McDonald? Although as soon as, pretty much after Mancow aired it. James McDonald recently did a video with Ron Duitsman, as you said, former chairman of the elder board, where he claims this was all part of a campaign by Dallas Jenkins, who's a former executive leadership team member at Harvest. If the church wants to regulate marriage, let them say you cant get remarried in their church if you are already married in the eyes of the church. Thanks for a thoughtful, educated, godly response. (Proverbs 27:12). Whoever said the dumbest thing had to take off an, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation. Im sad for his fall. Julie. And yet so many still have not and still waiting for James McDonald to do that. The man does not make the ministry., God [emailprotected]. She was powerful and wise., Similarly, popular marriage and sex author, Sheila Wray Gregoire, wrote to TRR, The idea that a man can only be happy in a marriage when a wife is weaker than him shows that his idea of manhood is an extremely fragile one., As reported by TRR earlier this week, Visconti has publicly announced that he is being mentored by James MacDonald, and MacDonald has preached at Generation Church numerous times this past year. So I mean, again, this was round. And I remember a comment being made. My husband and I pray that anyone who has been hurt or used by Im can heal. Yes, it is. There was a push for him to be able to resign, and to negotiate on several points that we now know what have you know, let him walk away with millions of dollars. In October, Harvest along with lead pastor James MacDonald filed a defamation lawsuit against the author of the World article, Julie Roys, for "asserting false allegations" during her eight . What do you give, he would have been removed from Harvest, theres no doubt. But by the middle of day, right, we were talking about how we were clearly going to have to have an elder board meeting that night. Were just talking a minute ago, you know, the emotion and the weight and the relief and the sadness, and all those things are true. That was positioned as an attack from the start. You do that, and hope that the person will repent, and that they will turn and that therell be restoration. If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of God, and Proverbs, etc. And there is one thing we know about Satan. And Im just grateful that finally, the board, open their eyes. uterus or clean out a womb after a stillbirth (because these treatments are labeled abortions, and even that word brings out comments like yours). Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. I mean, here he is in Haiti, thats just been wracked by an earthquake, unbelievable poverty and devastation. Thats right. According to an independent audit of Harvest Bible Chapel, disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, siphoned off millions in church funds to support his lavish lifestyle. This was months months later. Roys detailed evidence from former Harvest elders, employees, and members that . So I asked the other elders, I said, I need to repent. It was really it was a painful meeting, it was a was an eye opening meeting as well though. Is that how it went down? 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